Can anyone please help identify the implements that were videotaped being wielded by alleged FDNY men near the place and time of their "finding" Mychal Judge dead?

http://911foreknowledge.com/judge.htm

Syringe? Cattleprod?
They don't look like any firefighter tools I've ever seen. Was Mr. Backofhead thrusting one of them into Father Judge?

Is that Father Judge's left hand sliding down Chief Pfeifer's back, during Mr. Backofhead's arm-thrust?

Note there are TWO arm-thrust video clips, when we are told there was only ONE camera there. That means either there were TWO cameras OR else the arm-thrusting was a REPETETIVE motion.

The excerpts are from Naudet 911, the first snuff film to ever win an Emmy.


Ray Ubinger

the films are too dark and grainy to make anything out

Several things are perfectly visible:

A man seen only from behind and wearing no headgear("Mr. Backofhead") is heavily thrusting his right arm into a space in front of Chief Pfeifer.

There are two video clips of said arm thrust, even though we are told there was only one camera there. Therefore, we're EITHER being lied to about the number of cameras there, OR else, ONE strange arm THRUST has become an even more inexplicable REPETITION, arm THRUSTS.

A left hand slides down Chief Pfeifer's back during the thrusting.

An object looking much more like a cattleprod than any firefighter tool is featured in an inexplicable close-up.

They are heard referring to their just-deceased, allegedly beloved chaplain, as an *it*. "Put it down, put it down, put it down."


Ray Ubinger

But I really have no good evidence-based idea. I'll let you research that aspect, now that I've broken the case open.

Or are you saying the footage looks like perfectly normal stuff for firemen to be holding and doing?


Ray Ubinger

do you have theory?

why would they want to hurt the father?

sheesh

It was strange. Many firemen in there statements talked about it.

Was there an autopsy?
Did he have an injury?
Did it seem to be a heart attack?

I don't know whether or not there was an autopsy. Will you please find that out, and get back to us?

No injury, nor heart attack, is mentioned in the movie. The firemen in the movie strangely say ONLY that "he had no pulse." As if that explains anything. TWICE they say that same exact phrase. (once said by Chief Pfeifer in an interview clip, and once said by Eddie Fahey to James Hanlon back at the firehouse kitchen in the afternoon, where Fahey refers to Judge not by name but only as "the OLD guy.")

Note also: They are not shown making any attempt whatsoever to REVIVE the man! They're shown finding him, and then almost immediately they are suddenly carrying him away, and carrying him very sloppily at that. Then they staged a very Pieta-like picture of their carrying of him, out in the street, where they still did not even have the decency to cover his body with a cloth. Then they DUMPED him on the ALTAR of his own CHURCH around the block!

It smacks of some kind of ritual sacrificial murder.


Ray Ubinger

a: they couldn't take the time, there were others to save.
b: he had been hit by 150 pounds (estimated) of person falling from at least 500 feet. There is nothing to revive.

a. They couldn't take the time to try to save their department's beloved spiritual leader because they had to try to save other people instead?

That makes about as much sense as Jamal Braithwaite saying he had to save people 80 floors up, so he just left the allegedly burning people in the lobby for dead.


b. Come back when you can produce a witness statement that anything fell on him from that height. (Or even a witness statement that he gave anyone last rites that day.) There is video of him being inside WTC-1 when he was "found" dead. It's called Naudet 911.

Also you might want to look at those Reuters photos again. As the New York Magazine article noted, "his body was still perfectly intact."


Ray Ubinger

Father Judge was killed outside tower 2 by falling debris as he administered last rights to a firefighter killed when a jumper crashed into him. The Nov. 2001 issue of Men's Journal has the whole story as well as a clear picture of Father Judge being carried by rescue workers. Instead of being "dumped" on the alter of his church as one poster said, he was in fact shrouded with a white sheet and his helmet placed on his chest at the alter of St Peters, the oldest Roman Catholic church in Manhattan.

It amazes me how someone can take a couple of seconds of ambiguous at best video and turn it into a conspiracy.

> Father Judge was killed outside tower 2

Stop right there, and explain then what's with Jules Naudet and all those firemen in the Naudet movie talking about finding him dead in the Tower ONE lobby, shortly after Tower 2 came down. You're saying they're a pack of liars, and faked their footage to boot??

I mean, haven't you watched the movie? Haven't you SEEN how THEY, the early responders to Tower ONE, the first tower hit, pick him up (without trying to revive him!) and carry his body up and out the door?

Haven't you watched how they 'coincidentally' shot footage of him in his last moments alive, standing around in the Tower ONE lobby, muttering prayers all by himself, looking decidedly worried, and NOT TALKING to them?

That's like the last thing in the movie before the demise of Tower Two. WHEN are you claiming he got from there to being outside Tower TWO and administering last rites, and WHY do you think the early responders faked footage of finding him dead inside Tower ONE where THEY were?


> It amazes me how someone can take a couple of seconds of ambiguous at best video and turn it into a conspiracy.

So that footage looks to you like perfectly normal stuff for firemen to be holding and doing? What's that cattleprod-like thing in that close-up, a new kind of fire extinguisher?

Why do they refer to the dead man they're carrying as an *it*? ("Put it down, put it down, put it down!")

And that PAIR of clips of Mr. Backofhead thrusting his right arm -- logically that has to be EITHER a second camera OR else the thrust itself was a REPETETIVE motion. Which explanation do you pick?


Ray Ubinger

Access the individual firemen statements and do a search(find) for
Judge in each one. You will find a lot of firemen who made statements about their knowldege regarding his death. I think you'll find a lot of statements contrary to the above.
I went through all the statements, but didn't snip info on Father Judge.
but saw a lot.
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/nyregion/nyregionspecial3/

You claim if I click through those 503 individual statements then I will find something relevant, but you don't bother to quote a single one that YOU allegedly found?? What kind of time-wasting diversionary tactic is this?

I furnished videotaped interview and in-the-moment audio establishing that he died in the Tower 1 lobby in the aftermath of the disintegration of Tower 2. You offer nothing back but your hearsay, of publications that you don't even bother to actually quote.

Meanwhile you steadfastly avoid talking about any images in the video, like the thing that looks more like a cattleprod than any firefighter too, and like how the heck we have two different angles on Mr. Backofhead's strange right-arm thrust when there was reportedly only one camera there.

Present or discuss some actual evidence or go back to lurking.


Ray Ubinger
NAUDET 911: THE ART OF THE MOCK-YOU-DRAMA
http://911foreknowledge.com

The smaller object looks just like the small flashlight I keep velcro'd to my helmet and the larger item is the spitting image of my Motorola hand held radio. I've looked at the video and find no compelling evidence that Father Judge was found anywhere except outside tower 2. If he "Knew too much" then why didn't he speak up before the attack. I'm sure a Gay Catholic priest was in the loop.

Thanks for your valid opinions on what the objects are. But you remain silent on Mr. Backofhead's right-arm thrust, and how the heck there can be TWO videos of it. Nor do you offer any explanation of the left hand that slides down Chief Pfeifer's back at that same moment.

Moreover, if you can't grasp that Father Judge died inside the Tower ONE (the NORTH Tower) lobby, you need to study the context of this footage more. Watch the rest of the movie and come back. Keep the following logic in mind when you do.


The footage in question was shot by Jules Naudet with the EARLY RESPONDERS, the same people who filmed/saw the FIRST Hit from the Church-Lispenard intersection, the location of the alleged odor of alleged gas. (See http://911foreknowledge.com/staged.htm )

The 1st Hit was on Tower ONE (the NORTH Tower). No one disputes this.

Therefore the early responders went to Tower ONE.

Therefore this footage, taken BY THE EARLY RESPONDERS, is from inside Tower ONE. (There is NO known footage from inside Tower Two.)

AND, this footage shows the discovery and transport of the body of Father Judge. The narration is all about that. To maintain that he was found OUTSIDE *either* Tower is to totally disregard this footage and the testimony within it. (the narration and interview footage from Jules Naudet and Chief Pfeifer)


Summarizing so far, the footage was shot inside Tower One, AND, it shows the discovery of dead Father Judge.

Therefore, this footage establishes Father Judge as DYING INSIDE TOWER ONE.


The reason the footage is so dark and grainy is that Tower TWO, the SOUTH Tower, the first Tower to come down (nobody disputes this), had just come down. That is the Tower Two dust all through this footage, filling the air inside the Tower ONE lobby, where the EARLY RESPONDERS responded to, and where they later filmed themselves "finding" Mychal Judge.


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com
Sinister clues of inside info and deep deception lurk in Emmy-winning "documentary" by the Naudet "brothers."

see previous message

http://911foreknowledge.com/judge.htm
excerpted from Naudet 911.

Remember, the movie is famous for having the only known footage from inside EITHER Tower that day, taken by the crew who SAW AND FILMED AND IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED TO the *FIRST* hit, which was at Tower ONE, where they set up a command post inside the damaged Tower ONE lobby, where they filmed Father Judge muttering worried prayers and not talking to any of them, and where they very shortly later filmed their "finding" of his body.


Ray Ubinger
discoverer also (on 6/30/2004) of the incriminating First Hit Reaction Shot
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
which appears ONLY in Naudet 911, nowhere else.

mentioned in many statements; I just had no reason to snip the
ones I saw. I was only trying to be helpful.
provided the reference-

Discuss or present actual evidence relevant to this thread, like I have done, or go back to lurking in this thread. Your claim that somewhere among 503 individually clickable transcripts is some thing which contradicts the footage and/or contradicts something I said, is useless, and so is your silence on the footage.


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com
NAUDET 911: THE ART OF THE MOCK-YOU-DRAMA

http:/www.flcv.com/firemen.html

why are you giving me a hard time when I try to be helpful by telling you what I saw while looking through the firemen statements?
and giving you a link where you can find info relevant to this thread. I can't do everyone's research on every topic. It took me several days to do the above summary.

You philb agree that Judge died inside WTC-1, not outside WTC-2, right?

Here is another story of Father Mike being hit by debris while administering last rights to a firefighter AND the woman jumper that killed him. I see the "strange death of Father Judge" came from Webfairy. Maybe Father Mike was just a Hologram.

www.saintmychal.com

> Here is another story<.>
> http://www.saintmychal.com

The relevant page from that site is
http://saintmychal.com/deathof.htm

Before quoting it, I note it is in two parts: first, an anonymous ten-paragraph intro, and then, a condensed version of the November 12, 2001 New York Magazine article
http://tinyurl.com/8hhtz
aka
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/sept11/features/53...
by Jennifer Senior.


"Father Brian Carroll, O.F.M., went up to Father Judge's room to inform him that a plane had just crashed into one of the World Trade Center towers."

This alleged moment is not mentioned anywhere in the NYM article. It appears only in the anonymous intro.

Did Carroll actually see this alleged plane? If so, kindly cite his description of it. My reading on the subject so far indicates that the eyewitnesses who were interviewed on that day are almost UNANIMOUS that the towers were hit by something OTHER than large jets.


"Father Carroll recalls that Father Judge quickly took off his Franciscan habit, changed into his chaplain's uniform -- paused to comb and spray his hair-- and headed for the door."

No actual quote from Carroll anywhere, about this alleged moment; neither in the anonymous intro nor in the NYM article. (since the NYM article doesn't mention the alleged moment at all)


"There were conflicting early reports of the exact circumstances of Father Judge's death. Cassian Miles, O.F.M., communications director for the Holy Name Province, confirmed with the fire department battalion leader on-site at the World Trade Center that Mychal indeed was anointing a firefighter and the woman who had fallen on the firefighter."

No actual quote from Miles, anywhere; neither in the NYM article nor in the anonymous intro to the condensed version of it. Even the full NYM article does not mention Miles, at all.

And who was the "fire department battalion leader on-site"? (also mentioned only in the anonymous intro)


"Father Judge's body, according to Father Miles, revealed severe injury to the back of the head."

Whoa, Miles saw this injury himself?! Hm, no, he's not actually quoted as saying that. In fact he is not actually quoted anywhere at all, about anything.

So apparently, this is THIRD-hand hearsay. You cite an ANONMYOUS writer as saying, THAT CASSIAN MILES said, THAT THE UNNAMED BATTALION LEADER ON-SITE said, that the back of Mychal Judge's head revealed severe injury. Did I get that right?



Now beyond the ten-paragraph anonymous intro and on into the NYM article.


"Judge's body was found in the lobby of Tower One<.>" LIKE I SAID! Thank you for confirming my point!!


"ne of the firefighters who carried Judge out of the building, Christian Waugh, says he saw the chaplain standing upright by the emergency command post just seconds before they and scores of others got caught in a monsoon of rubble."

Would that be the fake emergency command post staffed by Chief Pfeifer behind the built-in lobby desk, or do they mean the real command post that the actual fire commanders set up out in the middle of the lobby, a beat-up portable lectern-type thing?


" 'I'm assuming he gave last rites to the guy in Company 216 and then ran into the lobby," says Waugh.' "

What guy in Company 216? Assuming why?


" 'Because I was with him in that lobby. He was standing right there, a few feet away from me.' "

In other words Waugh is saying Judge abandoned outside the two people Judge had allegedly been giving last rites to?


"They took his pulse. Nothing." Again with this non-explanatory explanation. Chief Pfeifer says, "He had no pulse." Eddie Fahey says, "No pulse." Nobody on scene is being quoted as determining any actual INJURY or other death cause. The NYM article even says his body was still "perfectly intact."

How about doing some real first-hand research and find out for us whether or not an autopsy was done on Judge?


"That was the moment a Reuters photographer, Shannon Stapleton, snapped the picture that Christopher Keenan, one of Judge's closest friends at the friary, now calls 'a modern Pietà.' "

There are three photos known from that moment:




In the third photo, note the presence of Chief Joseph Pfeifer at back left, wearing only his garrison uniform. He's readily identifiable as the same white-uniformed guy in the infamous Alleged Odor Of Alleged Gas scene:
http://tinyurl.com/6zx44

The contradiction here is, the Naudet movie explicitly depicts Pfeifer as MISSING the carrying of Judge's body through the street.

The Naudet movie explicitly shows Pfeifer still inside WTC-1 at that time, wearing full fireman's overgear, while searching the NW Pedestrian Bridge area for the best exit. In the meantime, the movie depicts, the carriers of Judge's body proceeded (against Pfeifer's orders) out the "dangerous" exit. When Pfeifer comes back to say Let's Use The Pedestrian Bridge, he finds no one to say it to, according to the Naudet movie.

Therefore either the Shannon Stapleton photos of Judge's corpse-carry were staged, or the Naudet movie version of it was staged, or both.


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com

> I see the "strange death of Father Judge" came from Webfairy.

No it came from the Naudet-FDNY snuff film, "9|11", Region 1 DVD, Commemorative Edition, released September 11, 2002. Webfairy simply excerpted and published it with my commentary.