Can anyone please help identify the implements that were videotaped being wielded by alleged FDNY men near the place and time of their "finding" Mychal Judge dead?

http://911foreknowledge.com/judge.htm

Syringe? Cattleprod?
They don't look like any firefighter tools I've ever seen. Was Mr. Backofhead thrusting one of them into Father Judge?

Is that Father Judge's left hand sliding down Chief Pfeifer's back, during Mr. Backofhead's arm-thrust?

Note there are TWO arm-thrust video clips, when we are told there was only ONE camera there. That means either there were TWO cameras OR else the arm-thrusting was a REPETETIVE motion.

The excerpts are from Naudet 911, the first snuff film to ever win an Emmy.


Ray Ubinger

the films are too dark and grainy to make anything out

Several things are perfectly visible:

A man seen only from behind and wearing no headgear("Mr. Backofhead") is heavily thrusting his right arm into a space in front of Chief Pfeifer.

There are two video clips of said arm thrust, even though we are told there was only one camera there. Therefore, we're EITHER being lied to about the number of cameras there, OR else, ONE strange arm THRUST has become an even more inexplicable REPETITION, arm THRUSTS.

A left hand slides down Chief Pfeifer's back during the thrusting.

An object looking much more like a cattleprod than any firefighter tool is featured in an inexplicable close-up.

They are heard referring to their just-deceased, allegedly beloved chaplain, as an *it*. "Put it down, put it down, put it down."


Ray Ubinger

But I really have no good evidence-based idea. I'll let you research that aspect, now that I've broken the case open.

Or are you saying the footage looks like perfectly normal stuff for firemen to be holding and doing?


Ray Ubinger

do you have theory?

why would they want to hurt the father?

sheesh

It was strange. Many firemen in there statements talked about it.

Was there an autopsy?
Did he have an injury?
Did it seem to be a heart attack?

I don't know whether or not there was an autopsy. Will you please find that out, and get back to us?

No injury, nor heart attack, is mentioned in the movie. The firemen in the movie strangely say ONLY that "he had no pulse." As if that explains anything. TWICE they say that same exact phrase. (once said by Chief Pfeifer in an interview clip, and once said by Eddie Fahey to James Hanlon back at the firehouse kitchen in the afternoon, where Fahey refers to Judge not by name but only as "the OLD guy.")

Note also: They are not shown making any attempt whatsoever to REVIVE the man! They're shown finding him, and then almost immediately they are suddenly carrying him away, and carrying him very sloppily at that. Then they staged a very Pieta-like picture of their carrying of him, out in the street, where they still did not even have the decency to cover his body with a cloth. Then they DUMPED him on the ALTAR of his own CHURCH around the block!

It smacks of some kind of ritual sacrificial murder.


Ray Ubinger

a: they couldn't take the time, there were others to save.
b: he had been hit by 150 pounds (estimated) of person falling from at least 500 feet. There is nothing to revive.

a. They couldn't take the time to try to save their department's beloved spiritual leader because they had to try to save other people instead?

That makes about as much sense as Jamal Braithwaite saying he had to save people 80 floors up, so he just left the allegedly burning people in the lobby for dead.


b. Come back when you can produce a witness statement that anything fell on him from that height. (Or even a witness statement that he gave anyone last rites that day.) There is video of him being inside WTC-1 when he was "found" dead. It's called Naudet 911.

Also you might want to look at those Reuters photos again. As the New York Magazine article noted, "his body was still perfectly intact."


Ray Ubinger

Father Judge was killed outside tower 2 by falling debris as he administered last rights to a firefighter killed when a jumper crashed into him. The Nov. 2001 issue of Men's Journal has the whole story as well as a clear picture of Father Judge being carried by rescue workers. Instead of being "dumped" on the alter of his church as one poster said, he was in fact shrouded with a white sheet and his helmet placed on his chest at the alter of St Peters, the oldest Roman Catholic church in Manhattan.

It amazes me how someone can take a couple of seconds of ambiguous at best video and turn it into a conspiracy.

> Father Judge was killed outside tower 2

Stop right there, and explain then what's with Jules Naudet and all those firemen in the Naudet movie talking about finding him dead in the Tower ONE lobby, shortly after Tower 2 came down. You're saying they're a pack of liars, and faked their footage to boot??

I mean, haven't you watched the movie? Haven't you SEEN how THEY, the early responders to Tower ONE, the first tower hit, pick him up (without trying to revive him!) and carry his body up and out the door?

Haven't you watched how they 'coincidentally' shot footage of him in his last moments alive, standing around in the Tower ONE lobby, muttering prayers all by himself, looking decidedly worried, and NOT TALKING to them?

That's like the last thing in the movie before the demise of Tower Two. WHEN are you claiming he got from there to being outside Tower TWO and administering last rites, and WHY do you think the early responders faked footage of finding him dead inside Tower ONE where THEY were?


> It amazes me how someone can take a couple of seconds of ambiguous at best video and turn it into a conspiracy.

So that footage looks to you like perfectly normal stuff for firemen to be holding and doing? What's that cattleprod-like thing in that close-up, a new kind of fire extinguisher?

Why do they refer to the dead man they're carrying as an *it*? ("Put it down, put it down, put it down!")

And that PAIR of clips of Mr. Backofhead thrusting his right arm -- logically that has to be EITHER a second camera OR else the thrust itself was a REPETETIVE motion. Which explanation do you pick?


Ray Ubinger

Access the individual firemen statements and do a search(find) for
Judge in each one. You will find a lot of firemen who made statements about their knowldege regarding his death. I think you'll find a lot of statements contrary to the above.
I went through all the statements, but didn't snip info on Father Judge.
but saw a lot.
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/nyregion/nyregionspecial3/

You claim if I click through those 503 individual statements then I will find something relevant, but you don't bother to quote a single one that YOU allegedly found?? What kind of time-wasting diversionary tactic is this?

I furnished videotaped interview and in-the-moment audio establishing that he died in the Tower 1 lobby in the aftermath of the disintegration of Tower 2. You offer nothing back but your hearsay, of publications that you don't even bother to actually quote.

Meanwhile you steadfastly avoid talking about any images in the video, like the thing that looks more like a cattleprod than any firefighter too, and like how the heck we have two different angles on Mr. Backofhead's strange right-arm thrust when there was reportedly only one camera there.

Present or discuss some actual evidence or go back to lurking.


Ray Ubinger
NAUDET 911: THE ART OF THE MOCK-YOU-DRAMA
http://911foreknowledge.com

The smaller object looks just like the small flashlight I keep velcro'd to my helmet and the larger item is the spitting image of my Motorola hand held radio. I've looked at the video and find no compelling evidence that Father Judge was found anywhere except outside tower 2. If he "Knew too much" then why didn't he speak up before the attack. I'm sure a Gay Catholic priest was in the loop.

Thanks for your valid opinions on what the objects are. But you remain silent on Mr. Backofhead's right-arm thrust, and how the heck there can be TWO videos of it. Nor do you offer any explanation of the left hand that slides down Chief Pfeifer's back at that same moment.

Moreover, if you can't grasp that Father Judge died inside the Tower ONE (the NORTH Tower) lobby, you need to study the context of this footage more. Watch the rest of the movie and come back. Keep the following logic in mind when you do.


The footage in question was shot by Jules Naudet with the EARLY RESPONDERS, the same people who filmed/saw the FIRST Hit from the Church-Lispenard intersection, the location of the alleged odor of alleged gas. (See http://911foreknowledge.com/staged.htm )

The 1st Hit was on Tower ONE (the NORTH Tower). No one disputes this.

Therefore the early responders went to Tower ONE.

Therefore this footage, taken BY THE EARLY RESPONDERS, is from inside Tower ONE. (There is NO known footage from inside Tower Two.)

AND, this footage shows the discovery and transport of the body of Father Judge. The narration is all about that. To maintain that he was found OUTSIDE *either* Tower is to totally disregard this footage and the testimony within it. (the narration and interview footage from Jules Naudet and Chief Pfeifer)


Summarizing so far, the footage was shot inside Tower One, AND, it shows the discovery of dead Father Judge.

Therefore, this footage establishes Father Judge as DYING INSIDE TOWER ONE.


The reason the footage is so dark and grainy is that Tower TWO, the SOUTH Tower, the first Tower to come down (nobody disputes this), had just come down. That is the Tower Two dust all through this footage, filling the air inside the Tower ONE lobby, where the EARLY RESPONDERS responded to, and where they later filmed themselves "finding" Mychal Judge.


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com
Sinister clues of inside info and deep deception lurk in Emmy-winning "documentary" by the Naudet "brothers."

see previous message

http://911foreknowledge.com/judge.htm
excerpted from Naudet 911.

Remember, the movie is famous for having the only known footage from inside EITHER Tower that day, taken by the crew who SAW AND FILMED AND IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED TO the *FIRST* hit, which was at Tower ONE, where they set up a command post inside the damaged Tower ONE lobby, where they filmed Father Judge muttering worried prayers and not talking to any of them, and where they very shortly later filmed their "finding" of his body.


Ray Ubinger
discoverer also (on 6/30/2004) of the incriminating First Hit Reaction Shot
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
which appears ONLY in Naudet 911, nowhere else.

mentioned in many statements; I just had no reason to snip the
ones I saw. I was only trying to be helpful.
provided the reference-

Discuss or present actual evidence relevant to this thread, like I have done, or go back to lurking in this thread. Your claim that somewhere among 503 individually clickable transcripts is some thing which contradicts the footage and/or contradicts something I said, is useless, and so is your silence on the footage.


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com
NAUDET 911: THE ART OF THE MOCK-YOU-DRAMA

http:/www.flcv.com/firemen.html

why are you giving me a hard time when I try to be helpful by telling you what I saw while looking through the firemen statements?
and giving you a link where you can find info relevant to this thread. I can't do everyone's research on every topic. It took me several days to do the above summary.

You philb agree that Judge died inside WTC-1, not outside WTC-2, right?

Here is another story of Father Mike being hit by debris while administering last rights to a firefighter AND the woman jumper that killed him. I see the "strange death of Father Judge" came from Webfairy. Maybe Father Mike was just a Hologram.

www.saintmychal.com

> Here is another story<.>
> http://www.saintmychal.com

The relevant page from that site is
http://saintmychal.com/deathof.htm

Before quoting it, I note it is in two parts: first, an anonymous ten-paragraph intro, and then, a condensed version of the November 12, 2001 New York Magazine article
http://tinyurl.com/8hhtz
aka
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/sept11/features/53...
by Jennifer Senior.


"Father Brian Carroll, O.F.M., went up to Father Judge's room to inform him that a plane had just crashed into one of the World Trade Center towers."

This alleged moment is not mentioned anywhere in the NYM article. It appears only in the anonymous intro.

Did Carroll actually see this alleged plane? If so, kindly cite his description of it. My reading on the subject so far indicates that the eyewitnesses who were interviewed on that day are almost UNANIMOUS that the towers were hit by something OTHER than large jets.


"Father Carroll recalls that Father Judge quickly took off his Franciscan habit, changed into his chaplain's uniform -- paused to comb and spray his hair-- and headed for the door."

No actual quote from Carroll anywhere, about this alleged moment; neither in the anonymous intro nor in the NYM article. (since the NYM article doesn't mention the alleged moment at all)


"There were conflicting early reports of the exact circumstances of Father Judge's death. Cassian Miles, O.F.M., communications director for the Holy Name Province, confirmed with the fire department battalion leader on-site at the World Trade Center that Mychal indeed was anointing a firefighter and the woman who had fallen on the firefighter."

No actual quote from Miles, anywhere; neither in the NYM article nor in the anonymous intro to the condensed version of it. Even the full NYM article does not mention Miles, at all.

And who was the "fire department battalion leader on-site"? (also mentioned only in the anonymous intro)


"Father Judge's body, according to Father Miles, revealed severe injury to the back of the head."

Whoa, Miles saw this injury himself?! Hm, no, he's not actually quoted as saying that. In fact he is not actually quoted anywhere at all, about anything.

So apparently, this is THIRD-hand hearsay. You cite an ANONMYOUS writer as saying, THAT CASSIAN MILES said, THAT THE UNNAMED BATTALION LEADER ON-SITE said, that the back of Mychal Judge's head revealed severe injury. Did I get that right?



Now beyond the ten-paragraph anonymous intro and on into the NYM article.


"Judge's body was found in the lobby of Tower One<.>" LIKE I SAID! Thank you for confirming my point!!


"ne of the firefighters who carried Judge out of the building, Christian Waugh, says he saw the chaplain standing upright by the emergency command post just seconds before they and scores of others got caught in a monsoon of rubble."

Would that be the fake emergency command post staffed by Chief Pfeifer behind the built-in lobby desk, or do they mean the real command post that the actual fire commanders set up out in the middle of the lobby, a beat-up portable lectern-type thing?


" 'I'm assuming he gave last rites to the guy in Company 216 and then ran into the lobby," says Waugh.' "

What guy in Company 216? Assuming why?


" 'Because I was with him in that lobby. He was standing right there, a few feet away from me.' "

In other words Waugh is saying Judge abandoned outside the two people Judge had allegedly been giving last rites to?


"They took his pulse. Nothing." Again with this non-explanatory explanation. Chief Pfeifer says, "He had no pulse." Eddie Fahey says, "No pulse." Nobody on scene is being quoted as determining any actual INJURY or other death cause. The NYM article even says his body was still "perfectly intact."

How about doing some real first-hand research and find out for us whether or not an autopsy was done on Judge?


"That was the moment a Reuters photographer, Shannon Stapleton, snapped the picture that Christopher Keenan, one of Judge's closest friends at the friary, now calls 'a modern Pietà.' "

There are three photos known from that moment:




In the third photo, note the presence of Chief Joseph Pfeifer at back left, wearing only his garrison uniform. He's readily identifiable as the same white-uniformed guy in the infamous Alleged Odor Of Alleged Gas scene:
http://tinyurl.com/6zx44

The contradiction here is, the Naudet movie explicitly depicts Pfeifer as MISSING the carrying of Judge's body through the street.

The Naudet movie explicitly shows Pfeifer still inside WTC-1 at that time, wearing full fireman's overgear, while searching the NW Pedestrian Bridge area for the best exit. In the meantime, the movie depicts, the carriers of Judge's body proceeded (against Pfeifer's orders) out the "dangerous" exit. When Pfeifer comes back to say Let's Use The Pedestrian Bridge, he finds no one to say it to, according to the Naudet movie.

Therefore either the Shannon Stapleton photos of Judge's corpse-carry were staged, or the Naudet movie version of it was staged, or both.


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com

> I see the "strange death of Father Judge" came from Webfairy.

No it came from the Naudet-FDNY snuff film, "9|11", Region 1 DVD, Commemorative Edition, released September 11, 2002. Webfairy simply excerpted and published it with my commentary.

outside wtc

We can do this forever. For every bizarre theory and grainy 3 frames of video showing who knows what I can show you 50 accounts of what really happened. This in no way confirs acceptance of the way the attacks were supposed to have occurred but promoting these bizarre conspiracies with no evidence is ridiculous. I could follow you around with a camera in poor light conditions and claim based on a series of random movements that you were jacking off with a Buck Rogers ray gun when you were in fact painting a fence with a Wagner power painter.


http://www.usconsulate.gr/Critsimilios%20remarks%20in%2...

> We can do this forever.

Yep I can keep asking you what Mr. Backofhead's right-arm thrust was, and what that left hand was doing sliding down Chief Pfeifer's back when Mr. Backofhead's right arm thrusted, and how the heck there got to be TWO different videos of it when we are told Jules Naudet operated the ONLY known camera inside WTC that day. I can keep asking those questions, and you can keep ducking them, forever.


You cite:

http://www.usconsulate.gr/Critsimilios%20remarks%20in%2...

which says in part:

"My name is Pete Critsimilios and I am a New York City Fireman. I work in Engine 37/Ladder 40 in the Harlem section of New York. <....> My fire unit responded to the W.T.C. early the next morning. We were met with a scene of complete devastation."

So something else you can apprently do forever is fail to directly quote anyone as actually witnessing that Mychal Judge suffered a head injury. This latest guy you're trotting out, Critsimilios, begins his account by saying he didn't even get to WTC until the next day!


Ray Ubinger
http//911foreknowledge.com

The notion that he supposedly gave anyone last rites is total hearsay so far. No one has quoted anyone as actually seeing such a thing happen.

Same with the alleged head injury.


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com

Why are you here?

Trouble is, piobar doesn't quote first-hand account of the claims he raised. All he has are witnesses who REPEAT the stories--that Judge gave last rites and suffered head injury.

Piobair quotes no witness to Judge actually performing last rites.

Piobair quotes no witness to an actual head injury on Judge.

Piobair offers no explanation of Mr. Backofhead's vigorous arm thrust.

Piobair offers no explanation of how there got to be two videos of it.

or later taking him from WTC1 to the Church?

and the people carrying him were the same as those involved in the Naudet film. I can't tell what is happening in the film, but I think it's strange that they are carrying him so haphazardly (in film) and appear to be referring to him as "it". and where are his injuries? If they found him inside why was there no CPR?
Also weird coincidence that Father Judge's replacement was forced to resign over comments that the official story was bunk.

Except it's questionable for being a staged photo, since it shows Pfeifer, whom the Naudet movie explicitly depicts as MISSING the corpse-carry after he got separated from those guys INSIDE wtc-1.

Alternately, if the photo is telling the truth, that Pfeifer was with the corpse carriers in the street, then the Naudet movie is lying, about Pfeifer getting separated from the corpse carriers back inside Tower 1.


Ray Ubinger

the cattleprod theory.

Honestly. Are you serious? "cattleprod"?

> Are you serious? "cattleprod"?

So what is it really, and what is the meaning of Mr. Backofhead's vigorous right-arm thrust, and the left hand sliding down Chief Pfeifer's back at that same moment, and how did there get to be TWO videos of it when Jules Naudet had the ONLY known videocamera inside WTC that day?

Put your next non-answer right here:

_____________________________________


Ray Ubinger
http://911forenkowledge.com

What the hell is so sinister about a hand sliding down Chief Pfeifer's back? I've led many crews into fires and the main way we stay in contact is through touch.
I've just gone to your website Ray,and you seem to have a particular hostility towards firefighters. Your section about a soldier disguised as a firefighter is just crazy. If you see anything but a firefighter in normal turn out gear you'd better get back on the short bus.

First of all they're standing in one place, within sight of one another, not leading one another around. (And elsewhere, when they ARE walking around, they aren't seen putting their hands on one another's backs.)

The hand slide would not be nearly as suspicious if it weren't happening at the same time as Mr. Backofhead's unexplained vigorous right-arm thrust, which you studiously ignore.

You also keep ignoring the question of how there can be two different videos of the arm-thrusting when there was reportedly only one camera there. Obviously we are either being lied to about the number of cameras, OR else the already mysterious arm-thrust was a REPEATED action, arm THRUSTS. Which explanation do you pick??

Note also Pfeifer and Mr. Backofhead are looking DOWN at the space in front of Pfeifer.

The postures and action are consistent with the explanation that Judge is lying back in Pfeifer's arms, with his left hand hanging on to Pfeifer's back, while Mr. Backofhead vigorously stabs/prods/injects Judge with something; then this saps Judge's life and his left hand slides down in death.


I have nothing but admiration for real firefighters. CIAgents posing as firefighters in order to arrange "lucky" "accidental" footage of their heinous crimes, and sell the footage back to us as a respectable documentary, are a very different matter.


The Soldier Disguised As A Fireman
http://911foreknowledge.com/soldier.htm
has an ARMY-style Kevlar helmet, where the back and sides come down to cup over the ears and neck. Pfeifer in the foreground wears an actual firefighter helmet, whose brim by contrast stays basically level at the ears even while it extends far behind the head.

This same soldier appears again later in the movie, still wearing army green camoflauge clothes, in a clip we have not excerpted yet. He pretends to call for help for a fake victim who is on all fours on the sidewalk. Somehow THREE COPS just HAPPEN to be standing TWO FEET away, and they step in. They perform the unusual first-aid move of patting the "victim" on the back, causing him to fall from an all-fours position to a prone position. In the background, a second cameraman approaches, resembling Jules Naudet. Would you like me to look up the dvd clock time for this clip so you can examine it yourself?

While I'm doing that you can finally tell us what's going on with Mr. Backofhead's arm-thrust, and where the second camera came from. Or was it one camera shooting repeated thrusts? Put your next non-answer right here:



Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com
NAUDET 911: THE ART OF THE MOCK-YOU-DRAMA

For clues where we are coming from see Scott Loughrey's review of the same movie at
http://tinyurl.com/5ne5q

You are full of crap. That is a standard issue FDNY helmet with the normal tools such as wedges and flashlight rubber banded with an inner tube to the sides. In addition, you can see the face shield in the up position. The firefighter is wearing the helmet at an angle but is definitley an FDNY helmet. The rest of the gear is normal bunker gear with no camo in sight. What would be the purpose of having reflective strips on camo?

So what do you think the firefighter is administering the Coup de gras with, the flashlight or the radio?

> That is a standard issue FDNY helmet<.>

As an army veteran familiar with army helmets, I disagree with your valid opinion.

You don't mention being interested in the further evidence I mentioned, of the same guy appearing later, dressed like a soldier, pretending to call for help for a pretend victim, with three cops standing two feet away.

I surmise the purpose of reflective strips would be to blend in with how the real firemen are dressed. I surmise the soldier was guarding that stage door, er, lobby entrance. Perhaps he killed the alleged burning people whom we never see and whom no firefighter is shown trying to help.

Pfeifer almost runs into soldier boy, but wheels hard left at the last instant, apparently just then remembering he's supposed to go that other way (left). A full-speed version is at
http://tinyurl.com/3qdcx
aka
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/underg...
about two-thirds down the page.

By the way, the jacket Pfeifer is actually wearing is different from the one the Smithsonian says he donated to them:


Observe that the lettering is situated differently. For instance the C in Chief relative to the N in FDNY. On the jacket he wore on 9/11, the C starts left of the N, but on the museum version the N starts left of the C. Smithsonian got a fake.


> So what do you think the firefighter is administering the Coup de gras with, the flashlight or the radio?

I see no flashlight nor radio. How many questions of yours do I have to answer before you'll answer one of mine? You're picking at nits while leaving huge issues completely unaddressed.


What is Mr. Backofhead's arm thrusting for and how did there get to be two videos of it?
http://911foreknowledge.com/judge.htm

And where is any witness report of seeing Judge give anyone last rites on that day? Or having a head injury? Both those notions are just complete fabrications, aren't they?


Ray Ubinger

post. He's familiar with FDNY helmets and he recognizes the helmet in question. That's a reply.

You're familiar with military helmets and think it looks like military gear. That's interesting, but it could resemble both military AND FDNY gear. Your claim that it looks military may be true, but it doesn't preclude the helmet from being FDNY gear, especially if they're using a helmet that's similar in design.


As far as your claim that the Smithsonian got a "fake" jacket, firefighters frequently have more than one of the same piece of gear....frequently purchased at different times. The lettering could very well be different on two jackets worn by the same firefighter.

I'm an army vet familiar with army helmets, piobair is a firefighter familiar with fireman helmets. The truth of the helmet shape is open to some interpretation. Still unscathed is my observation that Pfeifer almost ran into the man, then went completely in the other direction. 'Oops whoa yeah the script doesn't have me going right, but left.' The alleged soldier also is seen putting the brakes on and starting to go to our right to get out of the picture.

And as for the Pfeifer jacket, the Smithsonian MUSEUM bills it as the jacket Pfeifer WORE THAT DAY. Witness to HISTORY, the exhibit is called. That's what museums do. They don't care what OTHER jackets Pfeifer has, they want to present stuff that was THERE on THAT DAY.

So I'm not saying he only had one work jacket in his wardrobe. But the one he wore that day, as shown in Naudet 911, certainly differs from the one at the Smithsonian. Why would Pfeifer tell them it was the jacket he wore that day when it clearly wasn't?


But all this is about the Soldier page. A change from the subject line. You and piobair have still not suggested any interpretation of Mr. Backofhead's vigorous arm thrust, NOR HOW THERE GOT TO BE TWO VIDEOS OF IT IF JULES NAUDET HAD THE ONLY CAMERA THERE. That is huge.
http://911foreknowledge.com/judge.htm

And if piobair is going to claim Father Judge was giving anyone last rites that day, or got a head injury, he sure hasn't quoted any witness of either claim. Both notions are complete fabrications as far as I've been able to tell.


Ray Ubinger

Your "huge issues" are made up of nothing but nits. You claim,based on a video clip, that a firefighter is actually a soldier sort of dressed like a firefighter. Don't you think that any group capable of staging,{your words}, this whole event, could obtain an authentic FDNY uniform? I appreciate Mercutio chiming in on this but the fact is that FIREFIGHTER is actually wearing an FDNY helmet. I've never been more sure of anything in my life. I have sent that image to 4 different fire departments and asked them to show it around to see if there are any different opinions. You claim that the same individual appears later dressed differently. I'd like to see a side by side comparison rather than just take your word for it as you haven't been right yet.
Your original post asked for help in identifying objects that a firefighter was carrying. I told you what they most likely are. The main problem seems to be that you have absolutely no knowledge of firefighting equipment or operations. Where you see some sort of weapon, a firefighter will see a high rise hose pack or an SCBA slung over a shoulder. You surmise alot, but your suppositions are lacking in any evidence.

You claim that I'm just nitpicking and I should concentrate on the bigger issue. Without these nits there is no bigger picture.

The Devil is always in the details. I can see why this critique would annoy you because your whole website revolves around this same quality of "evidence".

> Your "huge issues" are made up of nothing but nits.

Why did Mr. Backofhead vigorously thrust his right arm into that space in front of Pfeifer, at the same time that that left hand slid down Pfeifer's back, and how did there get to be two videos of it?

Ok. Since we have disposed of the soldier/firefighter and the cattle prod/syringe, the arm thrust were an attempt to revive Father Judge by a vigorous sternum rub. I have no actual evidence of this...I just surmise it. You have put forth no opinion of what it might be so my hypothisis is at least as plausible and given the absence of any motive to do Father Judge harm, more plausible than what you keep trying to imply.

> he thrust were an attempt to revive Father Judge by a vigorous sternum rub.

So none of these alleged firefighters knew actual CPR, which would have had him supine on the ground while they would have compressed straight DOWN onto his sternum, and repeatedly blown into his mouth?

How would his left hand have been able to hang on to Chief Pfeifer, up near the back of Pfeifer's neck, if he really needed "reviving" at this point?

How did there get to be two video clips of the thrust?


> I have no actual evidence of this.

In particular you have no witness statement that any revival attempt whatsoever was even considered.

The witness statements that do exist, from cameraman Jules Naudet to Chief Pfeifer to firefighter Christian Waugh, indicate that they found him, then immediately decided somehow or other that he was dead, and then immediately began carrying his dead body up and out of WTC-1.


So far we have ...

... no witness to his allegedly giving anyone last rites that day.

... no witness to any particular cause of his death.

... no witness to any particular injury on him.

... no injury visible in the Naudet movie nor in the still photos from Reuters.

... no autopsy report.

... no one else in the group that he was with, reported as getting so much as a scratch.


We do have the pathetic footage of Judge muttering prayers all by himself out in the middle of the WTC-1 lobby just before the Tower 2 demolition.

We do have Pfeifer saying Judge was acting unusual by being like in his own worried world, not giving any of the rest of them any acknowledgment or reassurance.

We do have two witnesses saying that he had "no pulse," which may sound superficially at least like they wanted him to live, but it does not actually explain anything about how he came to die.

We do have glaring contradiction between the Reuters photograph showing Pfeifer attending the corpse-carry in the street, vs. the Naudet movie which explicitly depicts Pfeifer as still being inside WTC-1 at that time, scouting for the best exit while the corpse-carriers left him behind. (one of THREE moments in the Naudet movie where "firefighters" disobey direct orders to stay put)


> You have put forth no opinion of what it might be

I wrote, "The postures and action are consistent with the explanation that Judge is lying back in Pfeifer's arms, with his left hand hanging on to Pfeifer's back, while Mr. Backofhead vigorously stabs/prods/injects Judge with something; then this saps Judge's life and his left hand slides down in death."


Ray Ubinger
(p.s. I intend to have the Soldier's second scene published in the near future, the scene where he pretends to call for help for a pretend victim, while three officers standing RIGHT THERE, and a SECOND photographer start rushing in ... and knock the "victim" down with a pat on the back.)

Brian Mulheren, a retired New York City police detective who attended the autopsy, said Father Judge died of blunt trauma to the back of the head.This has been reported on various sites.

Quote the autopsy report itself, if it really exists. Police detectives generally aren't also qualified as medical examiners.

He didn't perform the autopsy, he witnessed it. Very common.I am not aware that autopsy reports are public information. You are holding all of your critics to a much higher standard than you yourself are willing to adhere too. Why don't you quote someone who says Father Judge was killed some other way than the accepted version. All you are relying on is your suppositions with nothing concrete to back them up. Your video is proof of nothing.

> He didn't perform the autopsy, he witnessed it.

Are you going to get around to actually quoting him on that, or should we presume this just another total fabrication, like the touching notion that Judge gave someone last rites on that day?

> I am not aware that autopsy reports are public information.

Why else would a presumably law-abiding cop be mentioning the findings in public?


> Why don't you quote someone who says Father Judge was killed some other way than the accepted version.

Because I'm the first person to see the possibility. Why do you accept that Judge gave anyone last rites that day? Because the mainstream media tells you so?

> All you are relying on is your suppositions with nothing concrete to back them up.

It's a matter of which way the presumption should go. People who die unexpectedly should be presumed to have died suspiciously, until proven otherwise by a published autopsy report.

> Your video is proof of nothing.

Proof of a second camera inside WTC-1 on 9/11 is hardly proof of nothing! And the footage is not consistent with CPR or any other benevolent action that I can think of. No witness has said how they deduced that Judge was beyond even an attempt at revival. The public deserves written findings on people who die unexpectedly. Stop discouraging inquiry into the sketchy, conflicting, weird-looking circumstances around the death of this good man.


Ray Ubinger